Proposal to move and input?

[unovis.livejournal.com]

Hi, all.

As you probably know, the recent changes in the LJ user agreement have prompted many users and communities to look for other homes--especially users and communities with free speech concerns, with LGBTQ and other identities, and those producing and consuming (and reviewing!) works we love. There is always the possibility of a journal being deleted by LJ authorities, but the risk seems higher now.

I'm proposing backing up the contents of this community and moving it to Dreamwidth. On Dreamwidth, the community would retain all posts and comments and tags from the LJ comm up to point of the backup.

The LJ comm would be closed to comments and posts originating on LJ. It's possible that cross-posts from Dreamwidth would be posted here. Anyone would still be able to read posts, however, and we can resume posting links on Tumblr.

This community depends vitally on participation by its members. Although it is possible for active LJ users to comment on Dreamwidth using OpenID, it's best that our reccers have DW accounts and join the new comm there. You would also need a Dreamwidth account to subscribe and be notified of updates.

Currently we have about 950 members and are watched by about 1400. We have an active pool of a few dozen reccers. I'd like to hear from you, the members, the readers, the reccers, about this proposal to move. Having reliable reccers on DW would greatly improve our success in a new home.

Thanks to you all --
Unovis

Comments

[write-out.livejournal.com]

I love this comm and I am in favor of moving to DW! I just migrated over there myself (same name) and plan on deleting this LJ in the near future. I'm primarily still here because I had volunteered to rec for April, actually.

[ancientreader]

I've moved my journal over to DW (as ancientreader) and am in the process of closing out here. I love this comm and will happily continue to participate over on DW. Oh, and I've been having a conversation with discordantwords over there, who's also interested.

[calliopes_pen]

I am also in favor of moving the comm over to Dreamwidth.

[themis1.livejournal.com]

Move to DW. I've been there a while and just echo to LJ.

[tripleransom.livejournal.com]

I hate to leave LJ, but I'd say a move to DW makes the most sense. Can you leave a post here that says where to find the comm on DW?

I already have a DW account under the same name.

Also: deleting the comm or posts here won't prevent "them" from accessing it. "They" already have your info. If you want make a statement about their policies by deleting your journal or comm, that's valid, but might as well leave it if access to your info is your concern.

[unovis.livejournal.com]

As far as this comm is concerned, the issue is not one of avoiding detection, unmasking, or observation.

Russian laws and policies are hostile toward free speech, political commentary, sexual preference and equality, and concepts of erotica. There is a heightened possibility of deletion and banning from publication on LJ under the new user agreement (English and Russian versions), though the danger is still theoretical. I would prefer to have the comm at DW right now.

ETA: there would of course be links to the new location. As I mentioned, there might be cross-posts to this comm from DW for as long as the comm exists here.

[tripleransom.livejournal.com]

Oh, I absolutely agree it makes sense for the comm to move to DW.

The rest of my reply was aimed at those who are deleting their journals here.

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

I also plan to move to DW, and I think it would be a good idea to move this comm there, too. I'll be happy to continue participating over there.

[swissmarg]

I think it's a good idea and I would follow the comm over there. I have already moved (same username).

[dogandmonkeyshow]

I've been using DW as an archive backup for a whiel now, and once my most recent update goes through today (*fingers crossed*) I'll be using it as my primary journal.

I'll definitely be following the comm on DW, though I won't be signing up to rec for a while. I have nothing in my rec queue and won't be doing much reading until late in the year as I'm focusing on writing until the autumn.

[dryadinthegrove]

I'm moving my journal to DW as well, so I vote for yes, move the comm.

[amindamazed]

definitely in favor of moving the comm to DW.

[haikitteh.livejournal.com]

I'll follow the comm wherever it goes. I already have a DW account, and with everyone moving over there it's starting to feel just like my LJ account!

[ariss-tenoh.livejournal.com]

It sounds like you've already made your mind so do what suits you. We'll follow on DW or not.

Though I'd prefer it if posts were mirrored on LJ.

[saki101.livejournal.com]

I agree that moving the comm to DW is a good idea. Continuing to cross-post to LJ with a link to the new DW account for those who wish to comment should make it easy for everybody to find the new site. I'm importing my LJ to DW right now and have been trying to join all the communities there that have moved from LJ or duplicated their sites already.

I've been reading from DW all along

[jesse_the_k (from livejournal.com)]

FYI: almost every web page (including this comm) creates a "feed" (also known as RSS or ATOM) containing all or some of each new post.

Dreamwidth lets you create a feed account, and then subscribe to it. You can't comment to that account, but you can click-through to comment on the original whence the feed.

So I've been happily following from
http://221b-recs-feed.dreamwidth.org/profile

The point being: DW helps you have LJ people & comms pop up in your friendlist

[venusinthenight]

Another vote for moving to DW! :)

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

I pretty much only come to lj anymore to check a couple of coms for fic recs. So yes, I'd be happy with a DW move. (I'm ivyfic over there.)

[scfrankles.livejournal.com]

I'm staying on LJ but I do have a DW account too. I'm planning to maintain a presence on both sites now, and so I'm happy wherever the comm ends up. My bouts of reccing do tend to be few and far between but I would be able to take part via DW in the future.

[keerawa.livejournal.com]

I've already got an account over there, as keerawa.

I'm a bit daunted by actually having to find all the fannish journals and communities I've gradually subscribed to over there, assuming they exist.

I'd be happy to follow and rec over there.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to find fannish comms on DW?

[amindamazed]

I follow http://fandomcalendar.dreamwidth.org/ which is a place to announce fanwork challenges and other fannish events; it's not exactly an all-purpose clearninghouse but you might find some fannish comms by browsing posts there.

Also, many LJ comms just use the same name in their mirror accounts on DW.

[keerawa.livejournal.com]

Thanks, that's helpful!

[sanguinity]

You can also search for communities that list "Sherlock Holmes" as an interest. (Or whatever.) They'll be listed by interval-since-last-update, so it's easy to find the ones that are active.

[keerawa.livejournal.com]

That's incredibly helpful, just what I needed, thank you!

[punknovelette.livejournal.com]

I really enjoy this comm, and am hoping I will be able to follow you on Dreamwidth, where I have had an account for almost as long as my LJ. My account is pennynovelette on DW. I do plan on staying on LJ, however. Why not have two account like many of the comms, and crosspost?

As for the new user agreement, I must say, I did not understand it, or even the reason for it.

[sanguinity]

As I understand it, Russian law requires that data concerning Russian internet users be kept on Russian servers (see further the linked EFF report), along with additional data that makes it easy for the Russian government to monitor its citizens. That's why the servers were moved to Russia back in December.

The new TOS seems to be more of the same: complying with requirements from the Russian government to permit easier monitoring of Russian users of the service. And since there are quite a few Russian political bloggers who use LiveJournal, and who chose it because it was hosted in the US and governed by US law...

However unpleasant that new TOS is for our purposes, it's a lot worse for people who have been blogging uncharitably about the Russian government. :-/

[punknovelette.livejournal.com]

Thank you for responding, and explaining. I have to say I find it all incredibly insulting, and disappointing. Around seven years ago, I joined LJ in good faith because I liked fandom, I wanted to be a writer, and I wanted to join in on the whole social media experience. Continual suggestions and threats to our privacy, do not serve in keeping any of us 'safe'. I am a responsible adult, with a family, a child, and I have worked for most of my life in a professional capacity. All of these 'anti' issues, from racism, to LGBT issues, have shocked and horrified me to the point where I sometimes no longer want to go on the internet at all, but I keep doing so, because I refuse to be knocked down. Also, there are some great things about the internet, so that is what I try to focus on.

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

FYI, I was informed today that Dreamwidth's cross-posting feature is not available for comms, only for personal journals.

[unovis.livejournal.com]

Thanks. Yesterday I created a comm on DW to test what was possible and I've been trying to find workable solutions for LJ readers.

[sanguinity]

I moved from LJ to DW years ago (same username), and mostly only use my LJ account for Holmesian stuff anymore. The comm moving to DW certainly won't hamper my participation, and may even increase it.

[flywoman.livejournal.com]

I haven't recced, but I do follow the comm and comment on fanworks I like, and I am on DW.